Redefining the Pistol Caliber Carbine Contact. What he said. Yes, they mentioned the NRA and the Illinois State Rifle Association in their statements. Item must ship to an FFL dealer. Lordy. I don’t need for my ass to get warm to realize someone is blowing smoke up it. The largest free gun classifieds on the web. F**ck T-BAG. (As above, from the 2013 IFMA IRS Form 990.). No matter how you cut it it all stinks. by rich.tullo on Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:56 pm I would pick them over a Les Baer , I hear the wait at one time was crazy but if they are holding to their word they are nice. Fortunately, for the consumer, the suffering will be minimal. His logic is sound, if you are going to have a round limit more energy per shot is a good thing. Then they were caught. The fact that you could be bought off by a corporate statement (I hope that was all) is concerning. I think what John means is that SAI & RRA now have the opportunity to put their money where their mouths are and put their big boy pants on and TRULY help to stop this bill. I could be wrong and they may be totally innocent….but their tardy reaction and especially the fact that they blew you off back in February when you tried to discuss the behavior of their ‘trade associaton’ with them, indicates to me that they either knew and approved or knew and didn’t care. So few do the heavy lifting. How can you welcome springfield and rra after they made a deal and there is more to this deal, that is not mentioned , and if you dig more it will come out, now they are trying to say they didn’t knew nothing, There is a lesson to be learned here, and I hope that the people who need to learn it take it to heart. Also Tom Reese, SA’s co-chairman, is secretary of IFMA. I told him about the political donations his lobbying group, IFMA, had made to anti-gun Democratic politicians. Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical Operator 2 with RRA Dominator2 EOTech Mount $1,399.99 $979.99; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: BB2512; Rock River Arms ATH ADVANCED TACT HUNTER CARBINE 5.56 $1,370.00 $1,369.99; Notify Me When Available; We value your participation.”. How many Illinois gun owners didn’t do squat about this issue, and are now bitching because some scumbag lobbyist also took “no position?”. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Leave a penny, take a nickel huh bud? I just scratched the XD from my list of contenders for my next purchase. $ is what got them into this mess. Are you serious? I donned my suit and spent time there too, representing Guns Save Life. Whitney O’Daniel from the National Shooting Sports Foundation was there at key times. Either way, no decent Second Amendment loving American has any business patronizing Springfield Assholes Inc, or Rat River Arms. And if they have any sense they’ll sell their companies entirely now and get out like S&W had to do back in the 90s. Not sure how they will lobby since they withdrew from their captive lobby group (as in there is no group without SA and RR). Mark Larson, along with his brother Chuck, founded Rock River Arms in 1996 when they began producing high quality 1911-style pistols and AR-15 style rifles. Use them for the fight now, make them crash and burn when the fight is over. One way or the other, they fvcked up. All content is posted anonymously by employees working at Rock River Arms. This welcome news came five long days after the world first learned of IFMA’s deal to trade opposition to a gun … Mike and Valinda Rowe spent countless hours working the rail on behalf of IllinoisCarry. Don’t care what they new and when. For starters, SB-1657 would inflict gun rationing […] I thank him and you should as well. This is a factory new LAR-15/AR-15 forged 7075 T6 Aluminum stripped lower receiver from Rock River Arms. Recall Aesop’s fable of “The Farmer and the Viper.” It didn’t end well for the farmer. Boycotting is very effective. Ok cut a deal so as to benefit my business, but in doing so piss off 99.999% of my customers. But for sale? “I welcome them?”…What? Low prices and fast shipping! We need to keep pushing the boycott of their products. Unbelievable. Either way, YOU’RE OUT! In the end, we killed it off as part of an “all hands on deck” effort. Carpetbaggers representing Everytown, Moms Demand, Gabby Giffords’ ARS and the Brady Campaign, to name a few, found their way to our fine state. But, it is my understanding that these names were on the most recently available 990. Way to capitalize on the community, what a big man! I suggest “ONE WEIRD TRICK FOR DESTROYING YOUR GUN MANUFACTURING BUSINESS!” would be an excellent title. It still must pass the House. Coming in at the end of the game with their “we didn’t know what was going on and we’re against it” BS wreaks. Yeah, I read that as someone has something over on him. And now, whether the bill passes or not, the damage has been done. It’s a proprietary AR receiver system based on the LAR series with integral backup iron sights that rest flush with the flattop rail and a relocated charging handle. plucked as if directly from my addled brain. I suspect that delay had something to do with Keller making sure a big fat check cleared before letting them throw him under the bus to save their own necks. I’m afraid that John’s excessively conciliatory approach may influence readers to likewise adopt the idea that the whole debacle really was just one big misunderstanding, and in doing so, prevent les collaborateurs from receiving their just desserts. I wouldn’t say that breaking the story that could very well end them as companies is being soft. At around the same time, they began their own venture, Tolerance Plus (the name was later changed to Rock River Arms), producing custom 1911 pistols. And that’s being way more generous than what most people would like to see happen. Not everyone is jumping on the kill SA/RRA bandwagon, it would seem. Yesterday, both Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory severed ties with their own private lobbying group, The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). John, if that’s true, then you must enjoy being shot in the back. Men like John will be watching. The Larson brothers severed their connection with Eagle Arms in 1997 when that firm moved to Geneseo, Illinois. Congratulations on kicking that heroin habit and no longer beating your wife. Notice I said it’s a bill. The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act’s official name, by only one vote. Spring and Rock are evil companies that need to be ousted from the shooting community. Or, you know, it’s f’ing automated by viglink like half the dang sites on the web. Rock River Arms. Reese ignored my message. There are bashers that claim it ain't military spec. We all knew the vote would be close. They also serve who only sit and boycott. That last paragraph goes right past slow learner to advanced window licking 101 with ease. After the story they had plenty of times that they could have made an apology. In the end, everyone worked together and we got the job done. Both companies claim they first learned of the political deals as a result of our reporting. FlamencoD, do you believe that the president of SA, Dennis Reese, who is also the president of IFMA, had no idea what was going on? That points to the potential that Jay may have gone off the rails without SA or RRA approval…”. Please have your dealer E-mail or fax a copy of their license, including your name and order number, … As we’ve seen, Dennis Reese isn’t above bribery. You can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility. He has made phone calls and emails for contact prior to releasing the story. Of course, it all comes down on the top of the heads of management, for it was them who made the poor decisions to either follow this bad line of action, or who were so incompetent that they allowed their lobbying group to bring them down the same path. Get out. You just wrote that IFMA was there fighting until nearly the end, when IFMA mysteriously went missing. rock river arms (in stock) 5.0 (2) ar-15/m16 9mm drop-conversion block. What a bunch of sheep. A guy from the land of Lincoln complaining about carpet baggers? Springfield, RRA, put your money where your mouth is! As I entered the Rock River Arms booth I half-expected to see new versions of last year’s AR-15s and the crow I ate tasted great. The point is that there’s a wide space of difference between putting your name on a document and being integrally involved in day-to-day. 1 freaking vote was the difference, let that sink in. Does anyone really believe he did that on his own, without input from his principals, SA and RRA? “You’re not answering my question, Jay. I might have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night. The Illinois Federation for Outdoor Resources stood by our side. Illinois doesn’t need socialists like these guys. I no longer need any marketing material from your company. Rock River Arms, Inc. offers a complete line of American made, custom built AR15 style rifles. True Lemmings!!! Good luck stuffing it back in. So what do you think? I want further thank Mr Farago for creating a home for us People Of The Gun where subscribers come first, not advertisers. First, the initial articles about this incident were published on Friday. You DUMPED the genie out of the bottle, John. Over the weekend at the NRA convention, I reached out to both Reese and Larson. “Welcome to the fight” implies they only just joined it. OUT OF STOCK (4) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. But spec is just one element that go into a rifle. how many of the people now bitching about RRA & SA don’t do crap for gun rights, other than maybe being an NRA member – if that. Not knowing what was going on this situation is inexcusable; knowing and lying about it is even worse. If I read the information correctly, some of the money definitely left IFMA … and then it disappeared. Rock River Arms, Incorporated is a manufacturing company in Colona, Illinois that manufacturers parts and accessories for AR-15/M16 type rifles, as well as other firearms. Too little too late in my opinion. As for Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms: never bought anything from the latter, but I have owned two SA rifles. Steve, the word “firearms” is hyperlinked in your text! You acknowledge all this contact months prior and all this time they did NOTHING. Glad to have you the team, gentlemen. Not only for the firearms industry, but for American industry as a whole. I welcome you to the productive side of society. In Michigan, Michigan Open Carry does most of the work and we only have 400+ members, but the legislature takes our calls and we work closely with them to draft pro-2A bills. Damn I wish I could afford to move a mile east into Hoosierland…. More like knowing when you’ve won and being gracious in victory. Make a donation to these pro gun groups who are doing the work you say you support to the tune of twice what you paid the lobbiests! Flame on, POTG, for my disagreeing with the “quick to respond masses”. Please visit your local dealer. Theirs are made of military spec steel this and that. The only place I’d welcome seeing them is at a soup kitchen. You really have absorbed too much of that culture. John Boch is a peacemaker and a dealmaker, so the final paragraph is not a shock to me in the least. DONT pretend for a second they’ve changed their views or are honest about working to defend rights now, they got what they want and now are feeding you all BS to the highest degree and you’re gobbling it up. Iraqi Special Forces received and used LAR-15 rifles.[8]. If SA and RRA were innocent, they would have spoken openly and truthfully to Boch, instead of avoiding him. As an Illinois resident, and a Springfield merchandise owner, I hope these two men step up big time to defeat this bill and I also hope they do not give more money to those who hate us because we own the means of our defense. Those never change, even when the people die. Now, their change of stance is – again – ONLY focused on their bottom line because of the uproar from concerned citizens and their customers (I mean previous customers). My return trip to Illinois prevented me from meeting with Mr. Larson in person, but we did have a good conversation. Over in printed magazine land, Primedia has done the same thing to formerly great mags like Guns & Ammo and Florida Sportsman. Totally didn’t.”. Those “quick to respond masses” are people without a massive shill or buyer’s remorse complex. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine In keeping with that smartphone spirit, the shooter can stream HD video directly from the scope, plus simultaneously record … model (which most closely resembles the M1911A1 that … Closely. I figured if they learned of my discovery of their lobbying group’s donation history, that might convince them that cutting a deal on SB-1657 was a bad idea. The other, bigger MI gun orgs? I explained how a number of those donations don’t appear to have been properly reported to the Illinois State Board of Elections. Why wasn’t the the internet gun-dom’s version of “BATTLE STATIONS EVERYONE” sounded right then to rally the troops and apply a bunch of pressure on the politicians and SA/RRA between March 28th and the vote on April 27th? You do NOT go soft on people who backstab and destroy rights and you definitely do not believe or give credit to their BS they feed to all of us after they already got what they want. T-BAG is a bunch of LIARS. They are a cancer meant to divide us for personal gain. Is anybody aware that T-BAG used to be in the car industry and created so much fake news that the car industry bought them out to make them go away? I’ll bet they care now. Even Dr. Dao settled with UA and the cop didn’t even work for the airline, wake up! I hope they can somehow magically stop this bill (for their sake…I own some SA products I like a lot), but I doubt it and I along with many others will hold them accountable if they don’t. I say top heads should roll at both companies and their board members should stand up and change the culture. For proof of that, just look at TFB where they are owned by Vertical Scope, an internets™ behemoth that has bought up damn near every internets™ forum around. As always, you may also place your order online or via phone directly through Rock River Arms for at … So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Springfield Armory has fought and defeated legislation like this in Illinois for the past 15 years. Both companies vowed to vigorously fight for gun rights moving forward. Wouldn’t surprise me if the “didn’t know” was true – but averting one’s eyes to avoid learning the truth in this political climate is BS. The committee meeting for this was March 28th where the exemption with Keller’s clients by Harmon (I think that is his name) was brought up. “I’m working on a story about some campaign contributions your lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association, has made to some anti-gun Democrats. Built to true Series 70 design, Rock Island Armory has the most well-built and versatile 1911s available today at a price point that is not achieved by any other manufacturer. Springfield Armory has jumped into the gun rights fight in Illinois. IFMA = RRA and SA. It’s a bit sarcastic, I think. Long term friends/allies begging him to call off the dogs? Stymied on the federal level, a full compliment of DC-based lobbyists came to deep-blue Illinois in search of a gun control victory. Call me a Fudd (I’m not one as I am against this Illinois law and any gun control legislation, and I love my AR-15s and 30+ round mags – no Fudd has ever claimed that), or say I’m what’s wrong with the gun community, blah blah. One of the most prominent examples of a budget 1911 is the Rock Island Armory (RIA) 1911. [7], Rock River LAR-15 rifles were exported to Iraq. As was also stated, hiring someone to lobby for them and then not knowing what that lobbyist was doing on important legislation that could affect their bottom line is difficult to believe. Here in AZ, the Arizona Citizens Defense League has only around 2000 members, and yet, AZCDL and its handful of members are responsible for most of the pro-rights laws passed the last few years in AZ. If Springfield and Rock River want to lie like a Persian rug, go into politics and see if you can snag some gullible fools that way. “Use them for the fight now, make them crash and burn when the fight is over.”. Have you ever read about S&W and Ruger? We faced this bill last session in the Illinois General Assembly. It took them several long, difficult days to come to Jesus, but they finally found Him. As an amalgamation of former models and concepts, including the Fred Eichler Series LAR-15, the X-1 brings together the best features from Rock River’s past and yet is a beast of its own kind. It’s like you didn’t read what you yourself wrote? None of these people had any idea what was going on? OUT OF STOCK (1) Barrett 17011 REC7 Carbine Semi-Automatic 6.8mm SPC 16.0 10 Mag. Screw SA, Screw RRA, and screw people that think second chances should be given to people that sell fundamental rights down the river. At first, both companies attacked me, The Truth About Guns and Guns Save Life. I’ve heard and seen first-hand the weirdness that some people slip into when they have a brain tumor or brain injury. @FlamencoD, of all the things we might call you, Fudd would be the nicest. Screw them, trying to cover their asses and seem like they knew nothing about this. Me, too. Maybe Owens got a Rolex, too. -earlier reporting by TTAG confused actions on behalf of one client with another It’s not too late. They would be well advised not to try to tough this one out. Everyone wants to help after being busted to the public. If what they say IS true and they didn’t know what was going on, so much the worse. These pistols are commonly available in the $400 to $500 range, or around half the price of a Colt. Do they seriously think no one would notice? Wouldn’t surprise me if such an inaccuracy constitutes fraud or perjury (but I’m not a lawyer, but having signed 990s for years in the past, I am pretty sure there is a perjury clause). I warned him that if he cut a deal, the gun owning community would not look favorably upon it. Why don’t we just ask Bob Owens? Not much power there to exploit. We even had Knox Williams from the American Suppressor Association helping out now and then. What the hell is this? It may be fictional but it is an important life lesson and one that should be remembered at times such as this. Springfield Armory, like Rock River Arms, was not aware of the actions taken by our trade association, IFMA, until after the fact. But people must learn that actions have consequences. Are you serious? Got it too. Judas felt remorse at the end too, it did not go well for him either. Much as you are doing now. Arizona doesn’t fight alone.). As others-and yourself-have pointed out, Springfield and Rock River Arms ARE the IFMA. From The Gun Writer. As a result of Rock River Arms winning the DEA contract, other federal agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Marshals, have also obtained Rock River Arms weapons under piggyback contracts. Another traitor/crony among the faithful. You’re lucky. Consequences for your actions…when are we going to start expecting that? Not on this site in general, why are you here on this particular article trying to discredit TTAG’s reporting about these companies and yet don’t appear in the comments sections of other articles? I call BS!!! But Rock River Arms’ response just set a much, much lower bar. Nothing but fake news. That points to the potential that Jay may have gone off the rails without SA or RRA approval, as both companies said occurred. It’s easy enough. Cannot see any other viable event, unless we speculate in the twilight zone that the paid lobbyist truly went rogue and kept the represented organizations completely in the dark. Those names should be accurate for that year. This now seems totally out of place. I’ve worked for a lot of companies and I can tell you this without a doubt- the treasury officer knows every dime that comes and goes and every large dollar transaction is approved by them. 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