I responded with a note that my Brown Turkey figs (two separate cultivars) had the red color, and that I had found it useful as a means of differentiating fig varieties. Talk about confusion. I'm located in the Netherlands and growing European Brown Turkey, which here is known simply as Brown Turkey. I have a "black celeste" cutting on order. Celeste trees were undamaged by freezes that leveled Southern Brown Turkey trees to the roots. Also, its still my only fruiting tree, so that also makes it a valued tree. Vancouver, WA Z 8b, soon to be Austin, TX Z 8b (Bring the heat!). It makes sense if it is the latter. Best to grow it out and see how you like it. There is. A lot of people seem consider Southern Brown Turkey a strain of Celeste. Although relatively cold hardy, 'Celeste' usually does not produce abundant fruit in years where winter injury is sustained. As for the rest – I have to agree that I don’t see a lot of it. Brown Turkey figs have a deep brown-purple color on the outside and a paler pink color on the inside. Growing: Brown Turkey, Ronde de Bordeaux, Hardy Chicago, Dottato, Michurinska-10. A post from a European fig grower venting about a scam by a European nursery brought me to the realization that they were here – just under the radar. I had a EBT under growing light until yesterday, I think it was already to far ahead towards dormancy to ripen its main crop. I don't want >to use any of this for propagation or sales until I've got them >straightened out...that is how these mistakes get continued in the >industry. Also maybe SBT is the same as "Black" or "Blue" Celeste. New growth in the spring will often still produce a fruit crop, but for reliable fig production, protect the tree in winter. It is late, but has been ripening some main crop figs over the past two weeks which have been good despite the chilly fall weather. Here on the forum I read Brown Turkey is one of the worst tasting figs and RdB is much better tasting. My mothers only tree, a 20+ y/o tree is a EBT, I got mine from her so that makes it special to me. Figs- brown turkey, celeste, and chicago hardy Figs - gallon sized plants $15 each larger $25 and $35 each Kiwi male and female (1 male to 6 female) strong vine plants needs arbor to grow on. 'Texas Everbearing' (aka 'Brown Turkey', 'Ramsey', 'Everbearing'), while not quite as cold hardy as 'Celeste' , will produce a fair to good crop on new Supposedly zone 8a, but my severe frost pocket makes it more like 7a. Black mission figs are a deep blue-purple color on the outside with a pink flesh inside, are known for their sweetness, and often ooze a syrupy substance. If all you have are brown turkeys and you want dessert, drizzle them with honey and run them under the broiler for a moment until the sizzle and bubble, or use them to make fig bread . Lose the eastern asap. In every hobby there are elitists that believe that if it isn't the "Best", or the most sought then it is of a lower or lesser class, to which I say "Male Bovine Scat"! Good question. - from the Bullard article and there’s some fresh pineapple and several people are saying how good it is when it’s pretty darned bland and I’m thinking obviously they have never had a ripe pineapple before. Here they are clockwise from upper left: California Brown Turkey, European (English) Brown Turkey, and Eastern (Southern) Brown Turkey, As you can see they are very different. There’s a guy there who is supposed to know more about the fruiting trees/plants, he might know more. But it certainly does with the breba crop. This article will help with identifying sour figs and managing fig sour rot. What began as a lifelong gardening fixation turned into a career for Jean Lien. My late figs – with very few exceptions – don’t have the quality of the earlier ripening ones. “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. If no brebas, back to the scrap heap. This gallery has 3 photos. Young, immature and unripe figs tend to be small and green in hue. Fig Pruning. Luckily, there are some easy and effective ways to avoid the problem. Call Also have Blackberry Thornless Natchez or Black Satin10 each one gallon pot, 3 gallon 20 each Cactus opuntia cuttings of various varieties. The english bts are late- breba split easily but main seem more sturdy & less prone to split given our dryer autumns here, even in smoky mtn daily fog. Reminds me of being at a potluck (remember those days?) discussion from the Chowhound Gardening, Turkey food community. It seems to me that the confusion is increased by the habit of referring to these figs just as “Brown Turkey”. Vern's BT was "discovered" relatively recently by Vern Nelson of Portland, OR. Vern's BT is its own thing - not really a 'Brown Turkey' in the sense that it isn't part of any of the established groups. Fruit tastes richer and smoother than most other hardy types. If spring temperatures have been unseasonably warm, leaves may already be sprouting. Fig trees (Ficus carica) grow well in areas that provide the eight hours of daily sun and moderate winters. So I took it out to make place for cutting season. English Brown Turkey Fig English Brown Turkey routinely handles cold winter temperature extremes and continues to fruit during the growing season. On the other hand, no one who has seen California Brown Turkey and Celeste together would ever confuse them with each other. Condit’s text seems tp explain this uncharacteristic lapse. Wait until fall frosts have defoliated the fig. Noted for its cold-hardiness, Ficus carica 'Brown Turkey' (Fig) is a large deciduous shrub or small tree with a spreading crown clothed in bold, deeply lobed leaves. It took years to figure them out. New growth may need some time to get started. in pots. It’s a big fig. I found with LaRadek that if I allowed it to ripen main crop figs, it did not give a heavy breba crop. Instead, prune it back in winter so it stands about 8 feet tall. This is a work in progress. Root constriction limits top growth, but promotes fruit formation. Yes you must be right its def a factor i hadnt considered. Has produced as many as 100 pints of figs in one season. The least affected by virus are Sweet George and LaRadek. Novice fig grower in The Netherlands (Oceanic climate, Zone 7b). For varieties like Brown Turkey, Chicago Hardy, Celeste, and LSU Purple, the color will change from green to brown or purple as the fruit ripens. https://www.scribd.com/document/2485...es-A-Monograph, https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...bt-new-mystery, https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...with-id-please. Although the fig will sprout new shoots from the roots in spring, fruit is generally produced on 2-year-old growth. My SBT run about 20g. They will look pale and spindly, but a few days of sunshine will turn them a healthy green. I’m heading out to revisit the place soon. That is why I think Bullard was comparing CA Brown Turkey with Celeste, not SBT. I have gotten heavy breba production from one of my EBT (eastern?) It is in a sheltered position and the bottom part of the trunk gets mulched before winter. The best varieties for Florida are Celeste, brown turkey, Green Ischia, and Jelly. Celeste figs are very sweet, with dark skins and reddish flesh. After the last frost in spring, uncover the fig. It's its own thing - a very reliable light brown sugar fig here in the PNW. It’s really odd, but the camera “sees” the difference when the naked eye does not. Figs often have a first (breba) crop that may be mediocre depending on weather/late frost, but often a poor breba will be "backed up" by a second generation bumper crop. Brown Turkey and Celeste. Figs are dark purplish brown, with sweet red pulp. The brebas are way better. some consider it EBT, others don't. These are okay. If you plant in a container to keep indoors, place your Brown Turkey Fig Tree by a large sunny window. SBT is darker. The European trees were imported several times but did not do well in California. It ripened its main a little later than "usual" when I left all the breba on. I got a few brebas, then a few main crop figs at the end of the season. Celeste is a fast growing fig with a shrub like form, reaching 10 to 15 feet tall. Are these trees indoors or protected? Although the wood of Brown Turkey is not as cold hardy as that of Celeste, after a severe freeze, suckers will usually develop from the roots to form a new plant. I believe the Brown Turkey is more popular fig than the Celeste. I have this fig to. All Rights Reserved. "Fruit and Nuts: A Comprehensive Guide to the Cultivation, Uses, and Health Benefits of Over 300 Plants"; Susanna Lyle; 2006, "Vegetables, Herbs and Fruit: An Illustrated Enclyclopedia"; Matthew Biggs; 2009. We grow figs. Celeste is a fast growing fig with a shrub like form, reaching 10 to 15 feet tall. Good luck and let us no what they say about it. Young fig trees require regular watering, but once established they become highly drought tolerant. A prolonged episode of freezing temperatures can cause the entire plant to die. > >My problem is that I'm convinced, looking at fruit and >characteristics (this is a huge quantity of very young stock), that >we've been sent Celeste as Brown Turkey and vice-versa. It might just be personal preference or different growing conditions. That was a huge surprise. ture Celeste trees heavily because this can re-duce the crop. I rather have 100 “bad tasting” EBT, while waiting for other varieties to become productive. Figs are dark purplish brown, with sweet red pulp. I think we are missing something by not comparing how the same cultivar from the same source grows in different locations and in different years. Maybe that is the same as SBT? It becomes an edible fruit, 4 in. One of the first signs your figs are becoming ripe is their change in color. Insignificant flowers form inside a hollow receptacle in spring that, when mature, enlarges and becomes fleshy. You may only view thumbnails in this gallery. Brown Turkey figs work well in salads, where their lighter sweetness is a welcome contrast, or in desserts where an additional sweetener will be used. Then we can alllearn to live with fact sbt is just a celeste variety. Starts ripening in late July. Heavy producer: Large: Excellent tree ripened quality: Celeste: Brown to violet with pink pulp: One crop: Small pear-shaped with long stock: Widely grown in south. I’m trying this technique on Gene’s Paradiso and took off close to 200 figs about a month ago. The figs in this composite of pictures (taken from the websites of 18 different European nurseries two days ago) were all referred to as 'Brown Turkey'. This loss of knowledge is distressing - we had to re-learn every generation. Medium-large, bell shaped, brownish-purplish skin, strawberry flesh. It had been in the mail for a weekend also, so that didnt help. What makes Brown Turkey even more unusual for a temperate fig is the size of its fruit, which can measure up to 3 inches in diameter. This didn’t work very well with most of these varieties. I had been thinking about this topic for a little while already, so I thought that I would give the subject its own post. Join the discussion today. Halligan- Here's a previous post on Hanc's EBT: I have a Vern’s BT . Brown Turkey and Celeste are both premier "gateway figs" in that they are responsible for a lot of people being involved with figs. Build a framework of wood, wire or bamboo around the fig, and pack mulch into the space between the frame and the tree. Condit mentioned Mosaic Virus on the plants he brought to California. She has more than 15 years of experience in the nursery industry and landscaping, and three years of horticulture at South Puget Sound Community College. I’m also trying to re-program or re-set other late figs which if successful would allow a wider range of figs to be grown in short season areas. Southern Brown Turkey and Celeste are very similar – and probably related – but they are definitely different varieties. The Celeste Fig (Ficus Carica ‘Celestial’), also known in the south as the “sugar fig” is a cold hardy variety recommended for zones 7-11.A smaller tree, reaching a mature height and width of 5-10 feet, it’s great for small yards or can be potted. It is amazing you had 1 of each to compare at same time since they have a hugely varying season. A European nursery had protected a variety called Bayernfeige Violetta. I have always left them on, hoping they might ripen, and then taken them off during dormancy. I’ll report back what I find out. You can also grow and overwinter figs in pots. The California Brown Turkey is very common and most “Brown Turkey” trees for sale outside of the south are California Brown Turkey. The leaves are known to get very large, even up to a foot long and the fruits are violet-brown in color. The southern growers were familiar with the European (English) BT, though it probably wasn’t widely grown because of the mosaic problems. Often if virus laden figs can be pushed hard enough, they “out-grow” the worst of the virus symptoms. There is a lot of confusion surrounding figs in general, but it’s especially thick around the “Brown Turkeys”. Copyright Leaf Group Ltd. // Leaf Group Lifestyle. And you’re right – you pretty much can’t tell Celeste and Southern Brown Turkey apart. A couple of weeks back etowah posted an inquiry about red eye in Brown Turkey figs, and there were no clear answers. Haha, thats the main crop that does no ripen in our zones. Taste is good, very sweet. The poster was upset that they'd been able to restrict it as it was “just Brown Turkey”. If we grow the EBT for breba, does it mean we remove all the figlets of the main crop as soon as they emerge? I guess I have at least one of each group. Growing techniques and winter protection will allow certain fig trees to grow successfully in zone 5. After four to five years, you can leave the fig unprotected. Figs can be left in the ground unprotected, but a particularly vicious cold snap may kill young trees. Here is my theory. It’s important to select a variety adapted to your climate, such as Brown Turkey, Chicago, or Celeste for colder areas. Hardy Chicago is by far the most reliable variety for zone 5 areas. 1. Mutch Dutch people like them. I added a picture with breba. I do not taste so mutch difference. Left Eastern (Southern) Brown Turkey, Right Celeste. An important different is the Celeste has a "closed" eye, protecting it from insect spoiling. I had consigned both my Bornholm trees to the cull area before Friday night's deep freeze (got down to 16F). When Does a Fig Tree Bear Fruit?. I hope it's been re- programed or re-set. You're right - I've seen many variations within a variety too. The underside of the fruit has a very small, tightly closed hole or “eye” which prevents fruit rot from bugs and moisture entering the fruit. Where does Texas Everbearing fit into all of this? Figs are native to areas with long growing seasons and hot summers. Was just insinuating the SBT are a great jam fig since they produce most their smaller sugarbomb fruit over a shorter period. "The eye of mature Turkey figs is somewhat open while Celeste is closed and is therefore a better keeper - resisting souring better." Figue d'Automne or Celeste, listed by Ballon (1692), and Liger (1702), as bearing fruit which may remain on the tree during the winter and mature in the spring, is apparently a different variety. Alice: St. Louis, MO zone 6b, new at figs. After the last frost in spring, uncover the fig. To me both of the above figs look like Celeste. If Eastern Brown Turkey is similar to SBT, why do we still call it EBT because it is easy to mix up with the European Brown Turkey, which is usually called EBT? I find it hard to believe that the "Eastern" version is different from the "Southern" version. I have Figs- brown turkey, celeste, and chicago hardy - gallon sized plants 15 each and larger 25 eachHappy to show gardens and help educate how. It’s interesting that after his European imports failed, Condit brought in European BTs from the south. BEST ANSWER: Steve, a fig novice here (Brown Turkey, Celeste, Chicago Hardy). Celeste figs are a medium-sized fruit with smooth, light brown to violet colored skin. They were also maybe a bit smaller. Good for potted culture, although it is our most dependable outdoor fig. My cali bts vary as i had some early but most are slow & hesitant to ripen here, WNC zone 7a at the intersection of Mt Pisgah & the Blue Ridge Parkway. Second-crop figs, greenish to purple with pink pulp. They are milder in flavor and less sweet than the Black Mission fig. This page was generated at 07:36 AM. Cheers! Ill keep it no matter what, because of my mother. You buy a EBT for its breba crop. Looks like it will be a pretty full crop. But those southern growers knew their stuff and I trust that Bullard was seeing what he described. Both taste good and sweet. Yes, fig trees are easy to grow in north and central Florida, they can also be grown in south Florida but may not produce as much fruit. Hardy Chicago ripens its figs from August until fall frost and will have some fruit in July. Learn which plants thrive in your Hardiness Zone with our new interactive map! An excellent smaller fig with purple brown skin and light pink pulp. The second best time is now.”. Read the Anyone growing figs besides Brown Turkey and Celeste? Its hardy & productive but late & poor to medium quality overall.” I’m wondering if the poor to medium quality problem isn’t so much genetics as it is that the figs are late? These trees are about 3-4 years old now and are just producing their first breba crop. Sure! One of the most important was differing hardiness. 5.00 each and non winter hardy plants various prices.Figs- brown turkey, celeste, and chicago har They are very similar. I really think specifying. Pruning is recommended only during the initial years when trees should be trained according to the use of fruit, such as a low crown for fresh-market figs. All times are GMT-5. The source I got them from probably had them since around 1960. At this height, you can easily harvest the figs without a ladder. Some beauties miss the mark. Another unexpected wrinkle was that these figs are grown for the breba crop in Europe rather than the main crop. Greenish brown: Two crops: Small: Good: Brown Turkey: Light with large, purple figs. Glad its good! Once the roots are well established, yearly growth will accelerate considerably. If that question is directed at me - they are in a very large greenhouse at this nursery. The SBT celeste varieties share harvest dates as “august bearing”. 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